After the sudden loss of her mother, Cate Baio found herself navigating grief, motherhood, and a profound spiritual awakening. In this tender conversation, she shares how deep coaching became a path to healing, purpose, and presence.
Imagine navigating the sudden, tragic loss of your mother, while caring for a newborn. How do you process that kind of grief? Where do you turn for meaning, for healing, for hope?
In this powerful episode, Jonathan sits down with Cate Baio—Director of Learning at the Center for Transformational Coaching, and one of our extraordinary Learning Leaders for the Deep Coaching Intensive . Cate’s story is shaped by profound loss, the complex legacy of her mother’s life and death, and the long, tender road of healing that followed.
Together, they explore how the darkest moments in life—grief, trauma, spiritual confusion—can become gateways to awakening, presence, and purpose. From motherhood and intergenerational trauma to the call of deep coaching and creativity, Cate reveals how transformation is not only possible, but inevitable when we dare to meet life as it is.
Whether you’re a coach, healer, or spiritual seeker, this conversation will leave you grounded, inspired, and deeply connected to what matters most
The Deep Coach Podcast
Episode 13: The Whole-Hearted Life with Cate Baio: How to Heal Generational Trauma and Overcome the Loss of a Loved One
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Cate Baio: [00:00:00] just that sudden loss, there's so many questions. I imagine it would be like anyone who lost somebody and not sure like exactly what happened. you have a lot of stories in your head about. she was found sleeping, so it wasn't like she was trying to escape.
so we assumed she passed away, before like through smoke inhalation and things like that. And, yeah, it was a very, you are just in shock and I felt like I was in shock for a long time and there's so much you need to do when you have like a house fire alone, and then there's so much to do when someone passes away.
the complexity of that was really something else.
Welcome to the Deep Coach, the podcast where we explore the transformational journeys that shape us and that propel us to change the world. I'm your host, Jonathan Hermida, and in each episode we sit down with those who have journeyed into [00:01:00] the depths of spiritual transformation and who are now reshaping the world through their presence and their work and listening to these incredible human beings.
You'll find insight, inspiration, and practical tools. To support your journey as a coach and as a human being. Today's guest is my friend and colleague, Kate Bao. Kate is A-P-C-C-I-C-F certified coach, a deep transformational coach, the director of learning here at the center, and one of our incredible learning leaders as well.
Who brings a rare blend of heart presence and grounded wisdom to her work? Kate is incredible. She's truly a soulful woman whose presence is palpable. She has this quiet wisdom and deep reverence for the human experience that you'll hear in this episode. And really only someone who's experienced extreme shadows and extreme difficulty can really appreciate the lightness, the heart.
At the core of the human experience, and that's what you'll find in listening to Kate today. So in today's episode, [00:02:00] we talk about the house fire that changed everything for her, the complex legacy of her mother's life and death, her own journey into motherhood and purpose, and how deep coaching became both a calling and a path home.
There is a lot of deep wisdom in this episode. Let's dive in.
Jonathan Hermida: Alrighty, Kate, well, I'm so happy to be here with you, and typically on at the top of these episodes, I tend to ask the question, who was Kate or who was the person prior to the onset of your transformational journey?
Cate Baio: Mm.
Jonathan Hermida: with your story in particular, it seems like there were many moments. It wasn't sort of this one grand moment and the first moment being when you were a child sitting in church and starting to see incongruencies in how. Those around you were showing up
in
things that you were observing. Can you share some context there as far as how old you, you were and what was happening inside of you then?
Cate Baio: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. So my, my earliest memory was, uh, we, we would,
I [00:03:00] was raised Catholic, and so one of these churches that we'd go to was quite big. And so I, I still remember like kind of looking up on the wall and seeing this like, huge, probably life size, um. Kind of sculpture of Jesus on the cross. And I remember just like taking that in and being so like, uh, disturbed by it really, like it's a, a very graphic image for a child to be taking in.
And so, um, that just really stuck with me. And, and then also just hearing stories. So then you're sitting and you're hearing stories and, and the story of, um, Jesus in the temple and getting very angry with the merchants and the [00:04:00] selling of their wares and the, you know, the basically the capitalistic nature that he was noticing and.
I just would, that alone, just kind of like, I, I don't get it. Like I don't get, I don't get it. Like there's such opulence in the church and there's such, um, you know, thinking of the Roman Catholic Church in general, probably being one of the wealthiest corporations on the planet. And I just, like, I, I don't, there's a, I don't get this.
And so that was, you know, kind of moving on in my, I was a little older kind of with that kind of realization. And then as I became a teenager, just being very confused by why women weren't priests. Um, that, that women had a very specific and [00:05:00] diminished role in the Catholic church. Um, and that I,
what
I understood of stories in the New Testament, that Jesus's love was, uh, unconditional, was all encompassing, and yet there's people who were being told they were bad by their, by their inherent nature of their being.
And I, I was just like, you know, to be clear like that queer folks were just not, it was not okay that they were going to go to hell. Like, and I just was so confused by that. Like it didn't make any sense to me. And so that was kind of like the first, I would say questioning around what does it mean? What does, what is God?
And what does it mean to live a [00:06:00] spiritual life and what does love mean and what does love look like? And so that was like kind of my initiation I feel into like where we are today.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm. How would you, or what would you say influenced that deeper
longing
into something spiritual? Because when you're a kid, and especially I also grew up in the Catholic church, spirituality and religion are intermingled, they're mixed.
They're the same.
Cate Baio: Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: at what point did you sort of see or know that it was okay to begin exploring spirituality beyond the church?
In
terms of, were there other resources? Were you exposed to other people?
Cate Baio: Yeah, that's a really good question. Um, I would say this started with, uh, my confirmation so that rite of passage as a teenager becoming an adult in the church. Uh, there was like, I, I have images of myself like [00:07:00] riding my bike and going for bike rides. I, I went for a lot of bike rides and I found in those moments, like, uh, that's when I maybe had those first experiences of something bigger that was just unrelated to any of that.
And, um, I wouldn't say there were any particular people there. Were there, actually, now that I say that, there was a part, uh, one particular priest that taught me in high school and, um, and his, his, his approach was, um, we had a, it's so funny that this is coming up, but we had this class called Peace and Politics, that's what he called it.
And so he really taught us to have this critical lens. So he would have us do things like watch the na, same news story from different news channels and, and see how things were, the perspective [00:08:00] that different. And so he, he played a big role in, um, in, in me seeing things in a bigger way and having like not only that critical lens, but also like being able to see spirit in that bigger way as well.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: In your early twenties, so a little shortly after, you mentioned that
your
mom had a suicide attempt.
Cate Baio: Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: Mm-hmm. Can you share a little bit about what was happening then and how that impacted the way that you viewed
your
life and the world?
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Yeah,
So, um. I was in probably my second or probably my third year university. And, um, we received a phone call from a friend of my mom's that she had a suicide attempt. And so [00:09:00] my, my brother was, I have one brother, and so we kind of gathered around her at that time. And, um, I had a, I was, I was in a, um, drama program and one of my professors, um, had again, a, a really deep impact on me.
And so I met with her because it was, she had a quite a high standard with our engagement and participation in class. And so I had to meet with her to let her know that I had to go home and the way she held space for me and the way, um.
I don't even remember what she said, Jonathan, but I do remember this feeling that, um, this is going to be hard and I [00:10:00] have a choice in, um, how I show up and, and, and understanding and starting to explore what is mine and what is not mine. So I felt like I was able to be in that situation with her and hold and be with her and hold space for her in such a very dark time in her life and begin to see that.
Um.
um,
Like, I am not that, like this doesn't define me, that she's having a really difficult experience and, and watching other people too. So being able to start to bear witness and to seeing how other people, [00:11:00] um, reacted to what was happening in her life at that time. And yeah, so I, I, there was
something
was able to step into in, in, it was a real welcome to, um, surrender, um, and self-reflection.
Like I remember working with a therapist around that time when we started exploring that idea of a, a coat that we wear. Like that. We're kind of born with this coat that is made from generations before us, and we have a choice as to what we do with that coat. And we can continue to wear that coat or we can kind of start to explore like, what, what it, what, what am I wearing and what do I want to kind of [00:12:00] take off and put down?
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: And so I had this really clear kind of visualization of this like patchwork coat of like different things that I have inherited into this life and that underneath it all, like I am not the coat.
Jonathan Hermida: There's a
a thread with both of these moments in your life. You as a young girl in church and you dealing with the aftermath of your mom's suicide attempt.
There.
there, there's an incredible wisdom that you had inherently in you that is quite rare for a young person to have.
Cate Baio: Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: What do you think it is or was or has been about you and your nature that has allowed for that deeper insight in these moments?
Cate Baio: I don't really know. I don't really know. And I like, you know, I, part of my [00:13:00] healing journey has been,
um.
um, seeking support and wisdom from all sorts of different places. And so you asked the question, and I, I'm smiling because I, I, I, I've done some sic record work and so. I have been told that I've been around many, many lifetimes and many lifetimes on this planet and other planets, and like, you know, I don't even know what to make of that.
I,
I,
I think it's kind of fun to contemplate. Um, and like, I'm not, I'm not attached to that notion. Um, I always just thought that ev maybe everybody thought that way. And I think that's why maybe it was so confusing. Like things make sense, like things made sense to me that way and I didn't understand why it [00:14:00] didn't make sense to other people in, in that way.
So, yeah, I don't know Jonathan, like, yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm. What would you say your biggest struggles were that were personal to you? You know, you know, you had these big moments in life, you're dealing with complexity in your family. How in your home with your mom, you are in this process of discerning what is, what is mine, what is not mine?
I
I guess what, what was yours that you were also contending with at, at that moment?
Cate Baio: Yeah. Gosh, good question.
Jonathan Hermida: Um.
Cate Baio: So what was, what was mine was like, um, the, like shame and blame that I carried for other people causing, like, causing this. Um, my mother was a survivor of sexual abuse in her family and, um, so there was a lot of, [00:15:00] um, of blame and, um.
Yeah, I, so that was definitely mine. And plus, you know, you just layer on all the, the socialization of what it is means to be a woman in this world. And, um, and there was a lot of complexity I had around that, around my body and self-image and, you know, there was a, there was a lot that, you know, obviously intersected with those experiences
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: and, um, and so there was a lot of my own work there to do.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah,
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
yeah. This idea of, of, you know, we are all souls having a human experience, it's extra clear. In your example of you being this soul, having this, this very [00:16:00] human experience.
Cate Baio: Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: I say that also because
people
did see you when you were younger, saw that
essence
that you are, and were,
especially
this professor that you were mentioning.
I'm wondering if it's the same one
that
mentioned that you have the most beautiful soul I have ever seen.
Cate Baio: It is the same. Same, yeah. Her name's Ann Hardcastle, just to give her some, um, yeah, some love. So she, she was a really incredible human being. And, um, I, yeah, she said that to me at one point. I, I really appreciated her approach and so I, I had more than one course. Like I kind of followed her into my kind of third or fourth year, I can't remember.
But, um, she said that to me and it really kind of took my breath away. And I remember [00:17:00] going back. To my house. And, um, I had, I drew that up on a piece of paper and, and kind of hung it up somewhere where I could see it every day. And there were these kind of, this moment of, um, it was like recognition, you know, when somebody like really sees you like the, the, the, the core of your being.
When someone sees that there's something that it's like, okay, like I, I think especially at that age, like, I'm not making this up. Like there is, like I am, I'm worthy, I am loved. I, um, like I wasn't making all of that up. Like there maybe there is something here that, and, and I, I was thinking, I was thinking about our talk here today too, because I also feel like I've been very much socialized to not recognize my strengths.[00:18:00]
Not recognize, um, either like you used the word wisdom like to, to, to
to,
as been so socialized to like, I have to dim my light for others. And that, like,
as
woman, my light just doesn't really shine as bright. Like, so, you know, when you have these moments, I, it was just like, okay, okay,
maybe
something here I should start paying attention to.
Jonathan Hermida: And
And in what ways did you begin pay, paying, paying attention to it?
Cate Baio: Um, to be honest with you, at that age, I don't think I, I did much like other, like, other than have this thing that, you know, was a reminder. Um,
I,
that's when I kind of started expanding. My life, [00:19:00] like I moved across the country. I like, I started to kind of build, build my own life separate from my family system.
Um, and nature became a huge, uh, part of my life at that time as well. So just being in nature. Uh, I didn't really have many spiritual practices at that time, but I was very much in, like, we talk about these stages of power and I was very much in a stage of power by reflection and spending a lot of time.
I, like, I, you know, I was already buying a lot of self-help books and, you know, doing a lot of that. So, yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: Which one had the biggest impact on you in the early years?
Cate Baio: Oh my goodness. Um,
I feel like I need to look at my bookshelf. Um.
I,
The seed of the soul. I'm looking at the seed of the [00:20:00] soul right now. Uh, that's, that's been on my bookshelf a long time.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah, that's a good one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's one that you picked up in your twenties?
Cate Baio: I think so. I have to, I'd have to go look and see what was written to confirm. Yeah, yeah,
Jonathan Hermida: And
And then in that same decade, your mom passed away in a house fire.
Cate Baio: that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, it was May 10th, uh, 2002. And, um, I was living here and, um, woke up to a beautiful day and a horrible phone call. And it was a really, um.
It was a really [00:21:00] complicated, I mean, house fires and death in house fires, they're just, it, it was, it's so complicated. And because usually when we lose a loved one, like we have their stuff and there's an attachment we have to the memories of folks in through images and pictures and um, whatever, right?
And so to not have that and, um,
and yeah, and, and, and then just that sudden loss, um, there's so many questions. Like when we like, and I imagine it would be like anyone who lost somebody and not sure like exactly what happened. You know, I, you, you have a lot of stories in your head about. She was, she was found sleeping, so it wasn't like she was trying to escape.
Um, so we [00:22:00] assumed she passed away, um, before like through smoke inhalation and things like that. And, um, yeah, it was a very, you are just in shock and I felt like I, I, I was in shock for a long time and there's so much you need to do when you have like a house fire alone, and then you're, there's so much to do when someone passes away.
It, you know, the, the complexity of that was really something else. Um, there was a, like a, a, I'd say a miracle or a gift that she did give us in that, um. It's really bizarre 'cause my mom always had this fear of fire, always this big fear of fire. And so she would always keep family photos. [00:23:00] She would keep, I don't know, back in the day, I don't know if you did this, but there was like, they would, she took a lot of pictures on, on slides and had them printed to slides and then she had photographs.
And so she'd keep photographs by one door, like the front door and then the slides by the back door. So if there was a fire, there was something by a door that we could grab on the way out. Like they were very important to her. And our cousins at one point rummaged through our, through the home, through my mom's home, and found her photographs and they were soaking wet and her slides and um, and so they, they called us to an aunt's and uncle's home and they had them just laid out everywhere, drying.
It was an incredible moment. Um, to, to have that. And, um, yeah, and it just, it always makes me wonder like, what did she [00:24:00] know? Like she was a bit of an intuitive herself and, um, always made me wonder what, what did she know? And probably not consciously, but you know, there was something there. And so she gave us that gift and
yeah. And so just the complexity of the grief of that and the years that that kind of continued and as I, as I've grown and as I've processed this, um,
you. Yeah, it just again, was like this, um, crash course in, in letting go, right, in letting go of, of the [00:25:00] attachment to, you know, as much as it was wonderful to have these photographs, like there was this, this, the attachment to that had already had already passed. Like there was like, okay, like we've got what we've got.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: Right?
Right.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: What
What do you, what most helped you through that grieving process
and
and get to that place of non-attachment
I.
Cate Baio: Friends, um, family, uh, connection, like human connection. Um. Counseling.
I, [00:26:00] yeah, there was a, there was a long period where I'd have really wild dreams, so having time to process that, um,
I,
I, I wasn't as resourced as I am now, so, um, as much as I would like to say, like prayer or a spiritual practice, um, I didn't tap into those things like I do now.
Jonathan Hermida: Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: yet, and yet you still had outlets to help you move through
the
the grief.
Cate Baio: Yeah, I did.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah,
Cate Baio: I did.
And
I the powerful part of community and grief and be, there was a, there was an, there was an isolating part of that too because I found that when I told people how my mother died, like if they found out like my [00:27:00] mother had passed and they say, oh, how did she pass away? 'cause people assume cancer or, um, and I would say she had a fire in her home and she passed away.
Like, it was shocking for people. And I found I had to tend to them. Like it would be re it was, it was very hard. And I, I was always, yeah. So then I would find that I wouldn't, I would kind of begin to isolate. So the, the people that knew me and the people that knew my story were really important because it became like not, uh,
uh, I,
I guess not safe or it.
It, it, I was shown that it wasn't really okay to talk about.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah, yeah,
yeah. It wasn't safe for you. It would consume you in some regard because you had to hold space
and therefore you held
you held back.
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: So then
So then you became a mom a year [00:28:00] later.
Tell
Cate Baio: Right. So I, I think I used the word crash course, uh, earlier. So yeah, the universe wasn't kidding around. Like,
Jonathan Hermida: no.
Cate Baio: it's like, okay, so let's now put you in a place where all of you, that intergenerational stuff like has even more space to come up and, um. Yeah. And so, so it was my, like, my pregnancy was easy, but my postpartum was really tough.
Re I had a really tough time postpartum with my first child, and we were living in a place away from our family. You know, we had to lean into community resources, which we did, which was amazing to kind of get us through that period of our life. Um, and yeah. And so from that day [00:29:00] forward, you know, that my eldest is now, uh, in his twenties, like, it's been a constant, uh, a constant reflection of my own work.
And those, those pieces in me that are still, um, ready for healing.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: This may
This may not be a linear question to answer, but when, when did your spiritual practices. And the, the earnest journey to heal
a way
in a way that you were really seeking out resources. 'cause I guess you had therapy before, so that was certainly a part of your healing journey.
Cate Baio: Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: mentioned
mentioned that, you know, prayer and meditation weren't a part of your world like it is today.
Cate Baio: Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: Mm-hmm. At what point did you really start moving into some of these practices?
Cate Baio: Yeah, good question. So, I thought about this and I really do think it was when I went into the DCI and had that space in, [00:30:00] in peer coaching to have these conversations that I didn't even know I could have. So to, to be with a, a, a peer coach and, um, start to explore what is God. How, how do, what is God to me?
How do I define that?
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: Um, that was really where I begin to do that kind of deeper spiritual work to have that, just to have that space, to have those conversations.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Hmm.
Well, I guess
Well, I guess before diving into all that, 'cause there's a lot of questions I have
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: what, what
What, what got you into coaching to begin with?
Cate Baio: Yeah. So, uh, what got me into coaching was, uh, I was, we'll fast forward a bit on maternity with my, now my third child.
Sure.
And, uh, I was working in the fitness industry at the time [00:31:00] and I felt like I needed more letters behind my name, going back to work. And so I started looking into other, uh, like certificates and things and, um.
And I have a relative who was a life coach and she said, uh, have you thought about coaching? And I hadn't. And that just kind of sent me on this trajectory. It, you know, when I, when I discovered that we don't give the answers and we don't give advice, and we believe that, uh, we have the answers within that our client has the answers within, uh, it was like a full circle moment to me of like those kind of like, like the moment with my professor and this kind of like moment in church or like these moments I've had throughout my life.
And it's like, yes, that is true. Like that is really true. The answer has always been in me. And there's [00:32:00] moments where I've had this reflected back and. Um, and so then I just was kind of lit up by that idea that we don't have to tell people what to do, like, myself included, coming from an industry, a fitness industry where you're just bombarded by information and you know, did I take heed to all that information?
No. And why didn't I, right. Because there was something in me
that
was still like, like that. I'm reminded of that Rumi quote of do not merely seek for love, but seek for all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. And I like that. Is coaching
Jonathan Hermida: What made it
What made it difficult for you to embrace the light as a coach?
Cate Baio: yeah. it's that upper ceiling of our, like, our capacity to be with light or our, like, that recognition of like, this is my upper [00:33:00] ceiling of either joy or strengths. Uh, my, my skillset, uh, my purpose, really, like on a deeper level.
And so when I was shown that there were times where I'm just like, oh, like the, the,
the,
I guess we call like, call it like fear of success, but like this, this resistance to really stepping into a purpose of why I'm here.
Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: And
yeah, so when, when I was in my coaching program, I had this, it was like one of those moments where before the call I'm like, if they ask if anyone wants to coach, I'm gonna do it.
And then of course they, and I was like, hoping they didn't, and then of course they did, and I was like, shoot. And then I was still held off and it was like, you know, the trainer was like, okay, like some of you might be like it. Like he was [00:34:00] like saying what was in my head. I'm like, okay. And it was a really powerful session.
And that he ref, he reflected that back to me. And I, I don't think I went back to class for maybe a year or maybe two. Like, like it was like, you know, a year and a half. Yeah. Like, I think I had three years to finish the program and I, I totally walked. It scared the hell outta me. And I was in a job that was not fulfilling me in any way, shape, or form.
And I just hit this point where it's like, okay, like this is my ride or die moment. Like where, where do I wanna go? And I made that decision to like actually stop working the job I was in and dedicate myself to finishing my program and moving forward.
Jonathan Hermida: [00:35:00] What do you think
What do you think it was
that
that session
that
that had you take a step back?
Cate Baio: Like
was that, it was that upper ceiling, like, like I saw my light, right? So that, um,
that I was, I like, I'm, I'm good at this, I'm good at something.
Jonathan Hermida: Mm-hmm.
Cate Baio: And that's scared the shit outta me. It really did. Right. And and what does that mean? So I think like, you know, we just like, what does that mean? Like, does that mean I'm gonna have to like, whatever? Like we go in these funny places, our ego like takes us like, we have to sell everything.
Am I gonna get a divorce? Am I gonna like, no. Like we go to these crazy places
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: and, and so like, yeah. [00:36:00] And is, isn't it funny? Like, don't you like,
Jonathan Hermida: Yes.
Cate Baio: yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: yes.
Yes.
The mind
The mind begins to try to anticipate the absolute worst case scenario. 'cause it's trying to keep us safe. But the scenarios that it concocts
Cate Baio: right.
Jonathan Hermida: have
Have no basis for the most part.
Cate Baio: Yeah. Yeah. And it's trying to keep us safe in this, like in the place that's not working.
Jonathan Hermida: Correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cate Baio: Yeah,
Jonathan Hermida: What made
What made you, so you, you realized it was the, the pain and pressure of not being fulfilled, not being happy, and
the work that
the work that you were doing that had you say, I gotta go all in, I gotta, I gotta do this coaching thing.
Cate Baio: yeah, yeah. Yeah. My husband said to me at one point like, you need to quit or stop complaining. Like,
Jonathan Hermida: darn well. [00:37:00] I'm
Well, I'm not gonna stop complaining, so let me quit.
Cate Baio: right. It was, it was this hard, it was this hard mirror into, into like, what, yeah, what am I doing? Like, what am I doing?
Jonathan Hermida: Totally.
Cate Baio: Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: Want to have a partner that can see you in that way and also, you know, hold you as you make that transition.
Cate Baio: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was a trooper. 'cause it, it was, it took a while. It took a while to kind of get my legs, you know, business wise, like under me. So he was a real trooper that way. Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: were
What were some of the, so this, you know, any coach that's watching this might be going through a similar place where they're
getting
just getting started on their coaching journey, or they're wanting to get into coaching as, you know, their career.
What were
What were some of the things that
trying that
that perhaps weren't working, that
just
you were just trying to figure out as you were making your way to becoming a, a full-time professional coach?
Cate Baio: Mm-hmm. So I
I
was kind of like the kind of person that just threw spaghetti [00:38:00] at the wall. Like any idea I had, I tried it. Like anything for, I, I arranged a. Speed coaching event, uh, with other coaches in my area. I like would do talks at like wellness fairs or the library or like, I just kind of like had an idea and would run that workshop or do that thing.
And so, um, so I was, I was, I was never short of like ideas, but I was short on time. So at that time I still had three young children and I was a stay at home parent and I, so there was a lot of like, um, I was hard on myself a lot of times for not being further along the path than I was also kind of rec recognizing that I'm, I'm ki I'm parenting full-time and I'm, I have this like side hustle that I'm trying to grow.
And, and in my head I was like, I [00:39:00] have this full-time. Job that I'm growing, but I didn't have 40 hours a week to dedicate to that. So, so a lot in retrospect, uh, I think a lot of compassion and grace, I think more compassion and grace I could have afforded myself at that time. Um, and the thing that I always tell coaches is that I never, I never was, I never stopped.
Like, there was never a time where I'm like, you know what? Life is busy. I'm just going to put this coaching thing aside for now, and I'll pick it up next year. I'll pick it up next month. Like, I never did that.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: So if it was one client, if it was one workshop, if it was one, whatever, like I just, even if I had nothing, but I was like working towards something, it was like.
Is it James Clear that talks about [00:40:00] casting votes for the person you wanna be? And that really resonated with me because I do feel that I was always doing just something and I, I never, I never took a break. And, and so eventually those votes accumulated and eventually I look and I'm like, oh, like I can contribute to our monthly income now.
That's kind of cool. Right? So, yeah. So I, I feel like that's the biggest piece for me over time is that I was always casting a vote
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: for this lifestyle that I wanted to create.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah. Tell
Yeah. Tell me more about this lifestyle you wanted to create. What was that motivating factor for you that was having you show up every day and, and
Cate Baio: Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: a vote?
Cate Baio: So I, I come from a long line of entrepreneurs like that is also in my DNA. And so I, and I, I've, you know, I've even [00:41:00] had a, I had a business with my brother when I was a teenager. We won't get into that, but, um, so I've just always had it in my system and I found like working in like, um, like the, I was working in a government system when I was working in the fitness industry.
It was a community complex and it was, there was just not enough autonomy in that. And, um, I've already forgotten your question, but,
Jonathan Hermida: What was your
Cate Baio: um,
Jonathan Hermida: the motivating factor?
What, what was your why that was pushing you forward?
Cate Baio: yeah. So what was my why? So, um,
Jonathan Hermida: I.
Cate Baio: I. Being in service, like just that idea of being in service and this, this truth that we have the answers within us. And I just felt like if more people connect to that inner [00:42:00] truth and that inner wisdom and that inner guide, this will be a completely different planet. Like, you know, it's very, it like, it's subversive to, to think that the answer is in us and not from some external thing that we can buy or that we can subscribe to, or even like a, a guru, like, like to, to think that the answer is outside of us.
It's very subversive to kind of. Realize that the answer is within. And so again, I think it was just coming back to like, that's true. Like, like seeing the truth in that, in my own experience, was a real driver for that.
Jonathan Hermida: Mm.
Cate Baio: And,
and this idea of like forward movement. So I've, I've, I've, I've spent plenty of time in, in therapy and therapeutic [00:43:00] modalities and they've been incredibly helpful and supportive.
And I do also remember going to a therapist at one point going, I'm kind of done. Like I could, I could unpack all of this stuff with you, but I also just don't know if I need to. Like, I was just at this point, and I remember she said to me, um, have you thought about seeing a coach? Right? So this, this, this piece of like.
Uh,
Yeah, just what, where do I, where, where do people wanna go next?
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: What is wanting to happen?
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Hmm.
Which
Which transitions us perfectly into the work of the deep coaching intensive
Cate Baio: Hmm
Jonathan Hermida: In so
in so many ways.
What
What was it that drew you to the deep coaching intensive? How did you find it and
tell me
yeah. Tell me more about that experience.
Cate Baio: mm-hmm. So, um, [00:44:00] Leon was one of my trainers and um, and there was something about his, the classes that he held within the kind of this like, um, you know, developmental coach training course. There was something about his presence that I would find myself seeking out his.
Um, classes
and one of our kind of last assignments, he was supporting me in a small group with that, and he had mentioned the center.
And so I'm sure right after our call, I went and searched it up. I don't think we even had Google at that point, but we might have. I don't know. So anyway, but I'm, I'm sure I did an internet search on the center. And, um, and so as soon as I could, I enrolled in the DCI and, and that was kind of like that [00:45:00] and the shift, a shift in being wasn't a book yet.
Jonathan Hermida: What
Cate Baio: And so
Jonathan Hermida: Because again,
Cate Baio: each week, like these materials would unfold, which
Jonathan Hermida: that you
Cate Baio: it essentially became the book,
Jonathan Hermida: the,
Cate Baio: um, that just really, deeply, deeply resonated.
with me,
Like the truth in it and the truth in my experience, and I was hooked.
Jonathan Hermida: What was it about it? Because again, you hadn't really dove in, I guess maybe you have with some of the books that you were reading. Mm. But what was the, the, the, the message, the teaching that was compelling to you it?
Cate Baio: Um, where do I begin?
Yeah.
So, um, so, so on the level of coaching this idea of, um, emergent space. So [00:46:00] rather than like a model of a conversation that we work through to create space, that what, like of what wants to come in, right? So beyond myself as the coach or my client. This the third, right? So whatever it is.
The third is spirit energy, divine intelligence. Like can there be room for that to come in? So that spoke very deeply to me, and that felt, that feels fun and creative and energizing. Um, and then of course the, the, the way Leon talks about the transformational journey itself. So I saw myself in those. Um, I know this is Janet
Hagger's
work, but I saw myself in those stages.
I could clearly recognize in retrospect, the, [00:47:00] the power by association and the power by achievement. And again, like I said, feeling like I was so firmly rooted in power by reflection for such a long time. I was like, oh, that's so me. Like I've been all I've been seeking, seeking, seeking, seeking right through books, through whatever I could get my hands on.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: And, and so, so much of that made sense. And then also the feeling in me of that purpose and how we've talked about, like these moments that I've been connected to that, and then not quite knowing how to bridge that gap of kind of moving into a, a power that's led by my purpose.
Jonathan Hermida: during this
Cate Baio: I, I felt like that spoke to me and it, it normalized my experience and also gave me, I guess some hope, um, and some clarity that I am on the right path.[00:48:00]
Yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah. Tell me more about this deepening in spirit and connecting to God during this time period.
Cate Baio: Hmm. So this has just been, again, my journey with nature, with, um, through conversation in coaching and in therapy. Um, and I would also say like, this is where I began to seek out, uh, various forms of support. So I, I found during this time that, um,
there
would be like various helping professionals in various modalities that would kind of speak this [00:49:00] language without knowing this work.
So kind of either getting into like the non-duality. Of human nature of, of life itself. Like kind of starting to hear that kind of language or, um, having, um, like working with a acupuncturist or cranial sacral therapist who's like inviting me to connect to my heart and, and letting that speak. Like
I,
I, I started finding those people that began to
hel
hold space for me in that way.
And there was a lot of healing that began to happen in that time for me. And I, I remember like having like these, I, I think they call 'em like healing crises. Like, you know, like I would just get really sick. [00:50:00] Like there's just something coming out and just exploring like. That's, that's a layer of grief that's actually moving through my body.
Mm-hmm.
Or, um,
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: and then also kind of beginning to find my way through to, uh, a meditative practice. And, you know, even more recently I've started exploring journaling. That's new for me. Um,
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: yeah. And so just, just playing with these various,
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah. What about that
Cate Baio: um,
um,
Jonathan Hermida: so supportive?
Cate Baio: ways in,
And, but,
but, but the big piece for me was, was being with someone, like being held in some type of way was really important to me.
Jonathan Hermida: As you did the exploring.
Cate Baio: Yes. Yeah, yeah,
Yeah.
yeah.
about that?
What about that?
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah. What about that for you [00:51:00] was so supportive?
Cate Baio: Yeah, it's a good question. Um, I feel like the witnessing maybe like, I, I hadn't really thought about this. It's a really, it is a really good question. The witnessing the, the co um, like the co-regulation that happens in that space. I did, I wouldn't have had the language for that then.
Jonathan Hermida: Sure.
Cate Baio: Um, but you know, like, yeah, like my list is long, like shaman's, like cranial, sacral therapist, acupuncturist, therapists, like, you know,
Jonathan Hermida: please.
Cate Baio: it goes a caic records like every, it, like I just went all over the place and, and in that it was like. It's funny, I feel like I'm drawing this parallel to one of those truths that I had as a, as a child that's just coming up for me now is like when you, when I was again so confused about religion, sorry, I'm just non-linear.
You mentioned of this conversation,
Jonathan Hermida: please,
Cate Baio: [00:52:00] but I remember also like being so confused about like war that can be based in religion when at its fundamentals all religions are, I felt, aren't, aren't they all saying the same thing? Like, love your brother, like I'm confused. And, and even within Christianity, like I just felt like this doesn't make any sense.
Like we're all talking about the same guy and yet there's so much like dissonance in between like all of that. And so, um. So kind of coming back to, to this moment, like it was like, it was like, I, like different people were saying the same thing in different ways. And so that was really valuable to me to,
Jonathan Hermida: And how did the deep coaching
Cate Baio: to really help me, like, process my experience and deepen my healing
[00:53:00] and,
and yeah, and just be held and have it said to me differently.
Was really, really supportive
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm. And how did the deep coaching work change the way that you were showing up in the world and in your own work? I,
Cate Baio: while, um. The, it was, I, I, what I love about what I loved, love and loved about the DCI was just this invitation into the practices. So to just like, it, it was, it's a playful way for, it was a playful way for me to like experiment, right? So, so I still remember, um, I still remember a moment my kids were [00:54:00] little and we were, there was part of the course where we were exploring spiritual values and so that, that week we just take time sitting with different spiritual values and really just kind of feeling the vibration of those in our being.
And I remember I just kind of started playing with different words and which words have like more energy than others. And um. I was, what I, I'm trying to think of the very, the highest word and starts with an E and I'm total middle age moment for me right now in my brain.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: Um, and
I
just holding the energy of that
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: it's above love.
Um, and I remember asking, I think I was asking [00:55:00] one of my children to do something
Jonathan Hermida: speaking
Cate Baio: and
Jonathan Hermida: that it's easy to
Cate Baio: when I usually get met with resistance and he just like got up and did it.
Jonathan Hermida: all I was asking was in what ways did
Cate Baio: And
Jonathan Hermida: uh,
Cate Baio: like,
Jonathan Hermida: you were showing up in your own practice and your own
Cate Baio: again, I've forgotten your question. Um, yeah, I'll pause.
Jonathan Hermida: I.
well, you know, the, the, you get so deep into speaking of this work that it's easy to get lost in, in, in the words themselves.
I, you know,
Cate Baio: Yeah,
Jonathan Hermida: there and, and, and all I was asking was in what ways did deep coaching, uh, change the way you were showing up in your own practice? In your own
Cate Baio: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, and in my work, so that was kind of like an example in my life and I, I still, um, I
Jonathan Hermida: Go. Go spend a week
Cate Baio: I
find, I am exploring [00:56:00] how the deep practices and deep coaching impacts my life. I'm still really much in a, a, a learning phase of that. I would say. Um, I think you said, I think where we're at the retreat, I think you'd mentioned like,
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: um, that, that quote rom das, like when you, when you think you're enlightened, go home or,
Yeah. Go spend
Jonathan Hermida: a week with your family,
Cate Baio: Go spend a week with your family. So I, I, I,
I,
I chuckle with that often 'cause I'm still very much in that and have seen some really powerful things lately in terms of me finding peace within myself, um, and unconditional love for others and forgiveness and uh, and so, so that has been and is an ongoing journey for me just to be clear.
Like I'm by no means like on the other side of that.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: And in my work, like it, it's felt more easily [00:57:00] accessible in my work. And so to be able to be in sacred space with someone and really trust, like really deeply trust either what's arising or that like the. Like the next question will reveal itself, right?
Like, I know a lot of coaches are like, ah, like, how do I know I'm gonna ask the right question?
Hmm.
So to just this allowing, this allowing and unfolding of, of what is happening during a coaching session in the space in that. And
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: that's re like, it's just so I, like, I started to have like coming from this lens of, of teaching and I'm sure like I'll be, I kind of curious to hear your thoughts, but I, [00:58:00] this lens from, from teaching when I started to wonder like, what is happening?
Like, like we know what's happening, like you and I know what's happening and I did get a curiosity on an intellectual level, like what is happening?
Yeah.
How are these practices so powerful in supporting someone in accessing both their wounds and the darkness and this incredible like light and knowing within them, like how, how are we, how is, how are what, what is happening?
And I've had clients like, like, what was that
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: like? And so I, on an intellectual level, I got curious and so I am, I embarked, um, a couple years ago now on a, a,
a,
a year long trauma informed training. [00:59:00] And so what was so cool in that is that I felt like,
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: I talked about co-regulation before. I didn't have that language really before that.
I had kind of, I've heard of this, you know, we hear these things kind of arising and in the world of coaching and. So to really like practice six attuning to the client's deepest sense of self and letting that lead like that is a trauma-informed approach.
Yeah.
So when we can really attune ourselves and be with what is in the session from such a place of love and groundedness, that that's allowed to express itself.
And even if the client is stuck or like, can we just be with stuck?
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
in, in deep
Cate Baio: That
allows that to soften a little bit,
Jonathan Hermida: You were just mentioning trauma-informed coaching.
Cate Baio: So, so to ha [01:00:00] so that was really, it was fun. It was fun for me to go, oh, oh, like scientifically, this is what's happening
Jonathan Hermida: What
Cate Baio: when we're practicing the practices.
Jonathan Hermida: and deep coaching that
Cate Baio: And that was a really cool like, journey to go on.
Jonathan Hermida: line where
Hmm
need
hmm. You know, in, in deep coaching we talk a a lot about creating a healing container. You were just mentioning trauma informed coaching. does that relate? Because so often people hear words like healing and trauma and associated with therapy and therapeutic sort of approaches. Mm-hmm. What is it about trauma-informed coaching and, and deep coaching that allows for this in a way that it doesn't sort of cross that line where somebody might actually need some therapy?
Cate Baio: Hmm. Well it's funny 'cause I often think of you when, when like someone asks me a question like this, 'cause I feel like you've answered this really beautifully in terms of like, what is someone's level of [01:01:00] resourcefulness in that moment? Right?
Right.
And so are they resourced enough to begin to access or explore whatever it is that's arising or are, is there a a, a, um.
A need for more resource in order to do that work.
Yeah. Right.
Right. And so, yeah, it's, it's, it, it can be really difficult. It, someone is like, I don't wanna say not coachable, but like, if someone is not sleeping or not eating, or like, very much in the shock of something are, there is some, there is some co-regulation that can happen there.
And I've had moments when clients come on a call and they're, they're jarred by something and I can just be with them
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: and just,
just,
just be with them and tend to myself [01:02:00] and stay grounded and breathe and then something happens where we can then begin to access like, what do you need right now?
Jonathan Hermida: Mm-hmm.
Cate Baio: And
sometimes it's like, I need to go, like, today's not the day for a coaching session.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: Or they're like, you know what, today's, I need this coaching session. But there needs to be an attunement that happens to be able to have them, like I do believe my client is incredibly resourceful, even when they're not resourced. Like, I think that's the other thing about trauma-informed approach is that you realize that our, um,
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: our, our, our physiological responses to trauma are incredibly wise.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: Right?
Right. So
like, you know, I'm thinking of Thomas Hub also. He was one of the trainers, and so he says like, we're [01:03:00] here because we're here. Like our nervous systems have develop developed over millennia to handle stress and trauma. So when we begin to see that as like a wise teacher that's showing us something in this moment, then we can give space for that to begin to just soften.
Right? And then, and then maybe we can access a little bit more resourcefulness. So, you know, so, so there's, there's that, that, you know, if someone is under-resourced, how can we kind of hold space and support them to figure out what they need to become more resourced and even know that that response of under-resourced is resourceful.
'cause they are alive and they are here. And so that's a very wise part of them. Right? So it's helped me change my [01:04:00] perspective on that.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah. Yeah.
Cate Baio: And, and then when someone is
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: resourced. Then we can really begin to kind of access some, some deeper wisdom within them and some deeper knowing within them of what are those darker places and those shadowy bits
Jonathan Hermida: Gives
Cate Baio: that are really ready
Jonathan Hermida: That, that
Cate Baio: to emerge and be held and seen
Jonathan Hermida: relating
Cate Baio: and inform, right?
Like really inform
Jonathan Hermida: from where they're at,
Cate Baio: as is that incredible
Jonathan Hermida: and they can,
Cate Baio: power of light and heart. How that is ready to inform and can, and just listening for those things and giving them space.
Jonathan Hermida: and I'm
Cate Baio: Like that's just, it gives me tingles.
Jonathan Hermida: on
Gives me tingles too.
my own.
Yeah. That, that space is the key factor here. You know, the difference between someone relating to where they're at versus relating from where they're at, and, and even if somebody's [01:05:00] under-resourced and they can, they're aware of that, that is, you know, that is space.
They have space within themselves, and I think that's what you're alluding to. I recognize I am under-resourced and I'm not in a position to regulate on my own or figure this out on my own, and, seeking out that, that, uh, support.
Cate Baio: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: You went from student to teacher, you can say, and that was perhaps a lead that was buried, uh, for some that might be watching this from the outside and are not aware that you are a learning leader in the deep coaching intensive.
Cate Baio: Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm. what was that journey going from student to teacher like for you?
Cate Baio: Um, surprising. Um, I remember being asked to teach the DCI and, um, being really surprised by that. Like, you know, am I worthy, uh, feeling?
Yeah.
Um, [01:06:00] and uh, it's been really, I guess again, in retrospect 'cause now that I get this opportunity to look back. There was a lot of learning that I was doing in my own journey with like, as I kind of move through each DCI cohort.
And of course, like I said, like of course my learning is not complete. Like this is a lifelong journey that I'm on. And um, and
and
the, the beautiful thing about
holding space
in or being in the DCI with folks is that we get to just go on this learning journey again with them. And it's so beautiful to see like the, the insights and the, um, [01:07:00] how people kind of internalize this work themselves is always just an invitation for me to just move deeper.
Into this work. And, um, yeah. So what was that transition like? Like it was, yeah, there was a lot of, there was a lot of head in the beginning. Like there was a lot of like, um, I've, I've gotta like, either say this like Leon does, or I have to like, you know, get this right. Like, there was a lot of that in the beginning.
So that transition was, um, interesting and, uh, and yeah, over the years, again, you like, I've just really, um, it's just like,
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: uh,
uh, there's, I guess this, um, letting go of a destination [01:08:00] perhaps.
Jonathan Hermida: It
Cate Baio: That, that, that
Jonathan Hermida: you've
Cate Baio: just, I am still on my learning journey. They are on their learning journey and we get to meet in this magical place where they get to,
Jonathan Hermida: me
Cate Baio: we all get to share our experience and our challenges and our, our successes and our insights and learning.
Um, so yeah, I dunno if that answers your question, but
Jonathan Hermida: It does, it does in many ways. And you've answered it in other ways throughout, uh, today's conversation,
Yeah.
the intersection of deep coaching, supervision, and creativity.
Cate Baio: Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: Tell me more about that. Yeah.
Cate Baio: Yeah. Yeah. And I almost feel like it's like I feel at a loss of words
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: when it comes to that.
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: And, and I, I, and so this is where like one, it speaks to deep [01:09:00] coaching.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah,
Cate Baio: Because in deep coaching, we're really inviting this experience of the, I am at the core of our being. So it's, it's an ex, it's, we are coaching, we are using words like there is all of that, but it is an experience and the, the, the expansiveness of that.
And so this, that's like, so it, there's more of a feeling here in the terms of, in the intersection between supervision, deep coaching and creativity. It's more of a feeling I have of expansion to articulate in, in words. And so my could various, um, ways in with, with bringing creative elements into workshops.
And into coaching [01:10:00] and supervision. I found, um, my, my bestie I'll, Nicole Abian, she doesn't have a website, so I don't think, I don't know. She doesn't, anyway, so I'm giving her some kudos here too. Um, she is an art therapist and she, she has been an incredible partner in crying with me in terms of like, we'd started running workshops together and she would bring a creative art prompt and I would bring content and so I would speak to some content and then together we'd come up with an art prompt that would like take us into an exploration and.
We would always do the art prompt together first. So we have this experience of something before we bring it to a group. And she's so chill. Like, she's just like, and I'm just like, I'm not doing this right and it doesn't look how I want it to look. And it's like, she's like, just keep going. Just keep going.
And so, like, through the process of [01:11:00] making something, and this is by no means, like, um, like draw a picture of your dog, like this is not like
a science
or a, like a painting. Like these are very, um, uh, low skill, high impact creative activities. And so I would, I would. Kind of, okay, I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going.
By the end, I'm like,
oh,
this kind of neat? Like, I kind of like this. And then, and then you make meaning of what you've created, which there's so much power in that. And so that the activity alone gets us out of our heads, right? So practice five of coaching and being less from the head and more from the heart There there's this intersection of creative exploration that allows us to bypass the head and, and create something, and make meaning of it depending on what we're exploring [01:12:00] that can speak to us in really profound ways.
And so having this experience of that and um, and, and then kind of moving into the, uh, the training of supervision, which I think is a horrible name. I like super dash vision versus super vision because that re that's really what it is, right? So it's like it's going into the space of expansiveness and looking at the systems that the coaches living and their clients are living and working in and having this like, that's far more, um, like I'm thinking of practice six and this attunement of what wants to happen and, and, and creating and, and, um, exploring this emergent space for wisdom [01:13:00] to arise between like the, the supervisor, the supervisee, and the client to kind of inform their practice, to inform them of the work they're doing with their clients so they can be, uh, more resourceful.
and
And more intuitive and more trusting and all of those beautiful things. And so I like to bring creative exploration into supervision, and I'm playing with it of exploration into supervision, uh, of, as of recently fun like
Jonathan Hermida: what would it,
Cate Baio: yeah, it's just a really fun like.
space of like not knowing and all knowing
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: and, and just to really kind of, yeah, get into the all of that.
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah. For somebody who might be listening to this and not be so sure of what supervised coaching is, 'cause they may not [01:14:00] be on that track, what, what, how would you define supervision?
Cate Baio: So I would define supervision as a, uh, reflective practice that allows you to take a look at your work. So, um, it's, it's not the skill of coaching, but like who you are, right? Who you are is how you coach.
Jonathan Hermida: Mm-hmm.
Cate Baio: And so when you can begin to look at that, but I also feel like you're also in supervision. You're honoring the client even though they're not in that space of supervision.
They very much are energetically. So to be able to honor the client and then, and then also honor the relationship between the supervisor
and the supervisee,
and the supervisee, like it's these, it's the layers of these [01:15:00] systems that we really get to look at
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: and parallel process, how that shows up in our relationships with our clients, like.
Jonathan Hermida: Isn't that true
Cate Baio: Yeah, I'm getting longer and longer with my answer, so I'll stop. But it, it's, it's a place of reflective practice, which I,
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah,
Cate Baio: I always refer to as, as normative, restorative, and educative. So we need a place to normalize our experiences as coaches. We need to place to resource and restore ourselves, and we need a place to learn.
Jonathan Hermida: yeah,
Isn't that true of all of life? Yeah,
Cate Baio: Yeah, totally. Right. So there's, yeah, exactly. Good point.
right?
that's that, again, an intersection with deep coaching, like we need a place for that. And even that creative piece, like as I would walk through those things of like, ah, I don't like this. It's like, okay, I see, I see the value in this now. Like this is my life, right?
And it's like you get in the messy middle and you [01:16:00] just have to keep going. And then after you like make meaning of it, and it's quite powerful and profound. It's like, all right, so I just did that in 30 minutes, and that was a parallel to my life right now. Okay. I get it.
Jonathan Hermida: it back to
Well, I mean, that's another example of going from student to, let's call it a facilitator, because
nothing
three months ago during our retreat in Florida,
and
Cate Baio: mm
Jonathan Hermida: just what
through a little art experience that was exactly
in you,
what you're just sharing right now.
Cate Baio: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: it was about going out in nature. Finding the objects that most called to us, that resonated with us, bringing it back to our space and creating something from it.
Cate Baio: Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: Right. There was no, nothing about perfection. There was nothing about right and wrong. It was just what comes up and what, what does it emote in you, you
Cate Baio: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of my favorite, that's one of my favorite activities that we did, and [01:17:00] I, I, I still,
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah.
Cate Baio: will utilize that one myself
Yeah.
when I'm feeling stuck and it's, yeah. And what
Jonathan Hermida: And also see
Cate Baio: the other thing I love about that particular activity, and just for folks that were listening, like, yeah, we were gathering objects and putting them in an installation and then writing about it and reflecting on that.
And,
Jonathan Hermida: Other people were
Cate Baio: and
Jonathan Hermida: crazy and,
Cate Baio: there's an impermanence to that too, right? So everything went back.
Jonathan Hermida: see,
Yeah.
know,
Cate Baio: So
And so
Jonathan Hermida: installations.
Cate Baio: yeah, I, I'll lean into that one time and time again in different contexts for sure.
Jonathan Hermida: if, if you could
Yeah. And also see, it was amazing seeing everybody's personality come through. 'cause there were aspects of people's personality that showed up, you know, in, in what they created.
You know, some people were more precise and, and structured. Other people were sort of crazy and, and fun.
Cate Baio: Yeah,
Jonathan Hermida: know, it was really, uh, a beautiful, beautiful thing to see.
Cate Baio: yeah,
Jonathan Hermida: something people creating different installations.
Cate Baio: yeah, yeah,
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah, yeah.[01:18:00]
Cate Baio: yeah.
Jonathan Hermida: begin wrapping up, uh, this space, if, if you could leave listeners with an invitation or something to reflect on or practice in their own transformational journeys, what might that be?
Cate Baio: So I'm gonna say this 'cause this is what's alive in me right now is
Jonathan Hermida: Hmm.
Cate Baio: what is,
Jonathan Hermida: Such a perfect invitation.
Cate Baio: what
Jonathan Hermida: Thank
Cate Baio: what does forgiveness mean to you and
Jonathan Hermida: we can officially
Cate Baio: is.
Jonathan Hermida: Um, and I, we can about the, the
Cate Baio: what
an invitation
Jonathan Hermida: How was that for
Cate Baio: to step further into that in your life right now?
Jonathan Hermida: Yeah,
Such a perfect invitation.
Cate Baio: Hmm.
Jonathan Hermida: Thank you so much, Kate.
Cate Baio: Hmm. Thank you, Jonathan.
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